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Jeep Cherokee EV Conversion - Part 1

I’m on a green energy kick  to do my part to prevent us all from being horribly killed by global warming. I’ve been looking into EVs, but the options are pretty limited and pretty expensive, as well as being filled with fancy features I don’t want or need. Instead, I decided to convert the Jeep XJ I had sitting around.

EV conversions have been around for quite a while, but they are starting to become even more viable, as batteries are becoming cheaper and cheaper. It turned out, my co-worker was also considering converting an old VW beetle, so we decided to pair up and help each other.

Vehicle

1989 Jeep Cherokee (XJ)

Batteries

While you can buy batteries, they are quite expensive, so we decided to look at salvaged batteries. It is quite affordable to get a Nissan Leaf or other EV that has been wrecked. The batteries are usually undamaged as they are safely in the middle of the car. Also EVs tend to be written off pretty quickly for some reason.

George Andres, my co-worker, was able to round up a salvaged Nissan Leaf battery pack from a 2014 Leaf. It is 24Kwh, which we split so we can do initial testing and building, albeit with very short range. I would like to find a second pack to get up to about 36 kWh of capacity, but finding one reasonably close has proven somewhat elusive.

Motor

The first choice you need to make is AC vs DC in a motor. DC motors are cheaper and used to be more common, but AC has started to take over. I is also the primary type for commercial EVs. DC motors are cheaper but they don’t allow for regenerative braking and they freewheel, where are AC motors give more of an engine brake feel. I went with an AC-50 at 96 volts, with the hopes of possibly running two in the future, but for now we’ll see how one works.

If I do another build, I might go for a salvaged motor from a wrecked EV instead.

Design

On a traditional EV, there is usually a very limited drive train, often a single gear ration. Most EVs run roughly an 8:1 gear ratio, although it varies slightly as well as some EVs run a 2 gear system.

With conversions, it is common to keep the full clutch and transmission and use a couple gears to get the right power/speed ratios you need. These often involve a large adapter plate that connects to the bell housing and the electric motor mates to the flywheel.

The large adapter plate option involves a lot of extra weight, especially rotational weight, since it keeps the whole clutch and flywheel setup. I thought I could do without all that extra weight. A rule of thumb seems to be that for cars, rotational weight is about a 3:1 comparison to curb weight, so every kg of weight saved in rotational is like 3kgs saved. This of course is very rough and depends on a lot more variables, but I did some rough math to try and figure it out. Keep in mind I am a programmer and not an engineer, so these numbers might be all wrong.

A flywheel basically stores energy in it, so that your motor keeps going round and all that. Basically, as you're accelerating, you're putting energy into that flywheel that you don't get back until you reduce rpm.

The farther away from the center the weight is, the more energy it takes to move, or the more energy it stores once it is moving. The purpose of a flywheel in a regular ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) car is to smooth out the rough “up/down” jerky energy that pistons provide and keep the drive shaft spinning nicely between pushes. It is deliberately a large heavy disk. On the jeep it is 12kg, which is quite a bit

Here are some sample calculations, with how much we figured the fly wheel could be shaved down, as well as the resulting power loss.

26.5lbs x 13.75in = 33hp seconds @ 5000 RPM
19.5lbs x 12.25in = 19.5hp seconds @ 5000 RPM
9lbs x 12.25in = 9hp seconds @ 5000 RPM

These are horse-power seconds, not hp PER second, so you have to spread it out over the acceleration time.

0-5000rpm in 10sec:
3.3hp lost
1.95hp lost
0.9hp lost

0-5000rpm in 5sec:
6.6hp lost
3.9hp lost
1.8hp lost

That rotational weight actually sucks up a TON of energy. I can see how you save energy not having the crankshaft and other spinny bits in the system and electric vehicles feel snappier, not just from the instant torque. Also, I *think* that this would apply most dramatically at the lowest end, since hp=torque x rpm so you'd be zapping a lot of torque there, but less as you sped up, since it is spread out more and the torque curve is flat. It depends on a lot of things I think, and this is where I got confused. With that, I decided to go with a design similar to this

Transmission to Motor Connection

My father built a custom connection to mate the AC-50 electric motor to the jeeps transmission. It uses the remnents of the clutch as a mounting plate because it has the proper splines and was easier than finding a replacement setup. It also looks a bit longer than needed, but that is because we have to make up the space where the bell housing used to be and I didn't want to cut down the shaft on the transmission, in case I want to change designs later.

What's Next

I need to get the transmission and adapter put into the Jeep, right now I'm waiting on a replacement transmission mount, since the original one is cracked and broken. Then it is a motor mount and battery boxes.

Comments

  1. Hi Shawn, quick q.
    I was thinking about converting my prelude into EV, but Im hoping to do it somewhat cheaply. I was looking at this craigslist ad: https://vancouver.craigslist.ca/pml/pts/d/nissan-motor-battery/6733003335.html

    Should I buy this or wait for a cheaper one or buy one on ebay?

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    1. Shoot I didn't get notified of this comment, but assuming that was a nissan leaf battery, pricing for them seems to be about $1000 from wreckers. You might also be able to get a whole leaf for ~$3000, but those are hard to find.

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  2. Hey can I have you email when you get a second I was hoping I could ask you some questions I have a Jeep Cherokee like this one here that you're working on and I wanted to know some information before I start tearing it apart thank you so much the project looks awesome it's like you've got a lot of hard work in that thing

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  3. Hello,
    I am mid-way though converting a Nissan 720 pickup. I was going to keep the clutch fully functional because I was sure it would be very difficult to shift gears on the go, Have you had any issues shifting during in-town driving, or perhaps down-shifting?

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  4. Nice job. I hope I can do this as well.

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  5. You have an interesting project. I wonder how this would go with an auto transmission?

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  7. Interested in converting a lincoln navigator 2005, excellent condition. I would like the following options:
    1-a salvaged hybrid SUV , gmc yukon or chevrolet taho 2009 to 2013; Installing the major components onto the navigator. Is this possible?
    2-same as above but with a leaf or volt mayor components.
    3-any suggestions for a ready drop in system for my SUV.

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  8. Hey Shawn would love to connect to put together a west coast of Canada EV group so those, like myself, who are interested in EV conversations can work together to promote some growth here. EVWest has some great information but it is cheaper to buy a commercially finished EV than use their conversion kits. Also I find it hard to find information that answers some of the simpler questions. If any other reading this are interested in this idea, feel to reach out as well.

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    1. I am planning on converting a 1998 isuzu rodeo to electric.
      I would like to be part of a this group.

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  9. This is great work. Can you let me know where you got the front motor mounts that you showed in your video? Cheers, John.

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  10. I've been thinking a good business venue would be EVs for older vehicles, Eventually petrol will be obsolete or heavily taxed to the point that having a combustion engine ran vehicle will be too costly. I feel that eventually a lot of people will consider converting their favorite old vehicles to electric. I love the idea.

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  11. Really interested in changing my 99 Cherokee can you contact me. Looking for parts list, and maybe were to get the parts.

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  12. Hi! Great project and nice video. Do you have a rough estimation about the budget needed for the materials and how many labour hours for the conversion? Did you had any issues related with load distribution? Best regards

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  13. Hi
    Great job on your electric conversion and the video.
    I am planning on converting a 98 isuzu rodeo to electric.
    I would very much appreciat any advice you could give me. I am located in Grande Prairie AB.
    If you live anywhere near I would love to take a look at your Jeep.
    Cheers
    Dennis

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    I Am an electrician and I know electric work like stater motor , altenator and wiring of TATA , Ashok Leyland ,Jeep and manymore ...I saw your videos and i really like it! So I want to inform you that I would like to do work with you...I hope i will get your reply as soon as possible!
    Thank you.

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  16. If you own a Jeep Cherokee and are interested in converting it to an EV, there are a few things you need to know. First, you'll need to find a reputable Jeep repair specialist in Dubai or Abu Dhabi that specializes in EV conversions. Once you've found a shop, they will need to assess your Jeep to make sure it's suitable for conversion.

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